FaceBook was never this much fun... Hello NingBook!
After spending a day or so on the new "Ning.com" site (NingBook), we have to admit... FaceBook was never this much fun!
Why?
On FaceBook, all the participants are aware and informed in advance that they are joining FaceBook. As a result, people tend to exercise discretion when joining a group, posting images, making friendships, etc. Since most people use LinkedIn for professional relationships and FaceBook for personal, there is an informed consent as to what one is doing when participating. Anyone who chooses to mix their business and pleasure on FaceBook is subject to getting some unwanted public attention.
Thankfully for curious types like us, NingBook saves everyone the trouble of making informed decisions or providing informed consent. Instead, they just unilaterally went ahead and opened up years of private meta-data about networks, friendships, members, and relationships. It is now endlessly entertaining to browse the data from previously private networks that has been exposed for all to see.
As a result of their bravado, Ning can now claim to potential buyers that they have a FaceBook competitor with more than 20 million "members". No matter that these people didn't know that had joined... Ning seems oblivious to the moral and contractual dilemma that it has created for itself by changing their TOS (once again) and then abducting these members from the individual Network Creators.
Besides the published promises that Network Creators own their own data and membership, Ning has also been accepting premium fees for "white label" services by a percentage of networks. The creators and members of these networks have been relying (to their detriment) on the promise that Ning was a platform for them to build their own membership, brand, and niche. Tough Luck. The release of NingBook demonstrates the last in what now appear to have been a series of carefully planned steps.
Here are a couple examples of the fun things that can now occur on NingBook:
- NETWORK RELATIONSHIPS: It is now possible for anyone
(including a client or competitor) to see all the Networks on
which one is a member. Don't want your CPA colleagues to know
that you are into collecting miniature dolls?... OOPS, too
late!
- FRIEND RELATIONSHIPS: Professional friend data is mixed with
personal friend data. This means that unintended (and in some
cases "disasterous") relationships are revealed from previously
private networks. Imagine a person's surprise when they
discover that they have been "outed" because they befriended
someone on a professional network who just happens to be into
some more "private" stuff on their own personal time.
"Funny, I didn't realize that my friend Principal Johnson from
the High School Network was into wearing pink panties... and,
wait... is that STEVE from accounting too? Yikes!"
- LOSS OF BRAND, LOYALTY AND COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE: Network
Creators who spent years building brand recognition, customer
loyalty, and competitive advantage on "their" Networks now get
the special treat of having all their relationships and members
merged into NingBook along with those of their competition. A
search on Ning.com for "Recruiting"
reveals the silky smooth ease with which one can now conduct
competitive research across ALL the 424 recruiting networks. Too
bad that these Network Creators had the reasonable expectation
that they owned their brand, members, and white-label. It is
slightly ironic that these Network Creators will now be
"recruiting" members for NingBook instead of building their own
online presence.
- OPT-OUT, NOT IN: NingBook features are all "opt-out" instead
of "opt-in" for each individual member. One can't do this
globally for all members of a Network. This provides Ning with
the convenient excuse of having to directly contact each and
every one of your network members in order to inform them that
your network was actually built on the Ning platform. "Come on
and see all your stuff on one convenient home page instead of
going back to the individual Network". Too bad that all these
NC's were paying Ning sizeable premiums every month for
white-label services in order to hide that very fact. Se la
vie!
- INFLATED MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS: The opt-out requirement ensures
that most members will never make their profile private. Most
never joined NingBook and don't know what it is. Instead they
joined a particular niche network. It is likely that most members
simply ignored the recent message from Ning as spam and have
taken no action. This works to Ning's advantage by allowing them
to publish hugely inflated numbers to the tech community, even
though these "members" have no clue that they belong to
NingBook.
- PLAIN TEXT URL SEARCH: It is super convenient that all the
names of members and networks are all in plain text. Unlike
FaceBook where you have unique numerical ID's like 12312asd23 to
make it hard for a human to exploit, Ning made it easy. Just type
in the name of your favorite member or network and you're good to
go. http://www.ning.com/kyle/networks
Sweet!
- BETTER THAN RSS FEED: Why bother visiting the main site of
any Network Creator who is paying large premiums to Ning to run
their own Ads meant for YOU to see? It is SO much easier to
simply keep tabs on everything from your own NingBook home
page... Ad Free!
Ning has demonstrated a clear pattern of contempt for its customers, especially Network Creators. Several times now they have changed direction in the middle of the night and taken-away features, rights, or services and then explained it away with Orwellian Doublespeak which seems to be detached from the objective facts.
Network Creators on Ning should take a good look at what has happened now that their hard-work has been absconded. With Ning having locked-up their network and reneged on their written promise to provide migration tools to anyone who asked, there are few attractive options. Nevertheless, here are a couple ideas to start:
- Make a written demand to Ning that you be provided with your
complete network content,
as previously
promised by Gina Bianchini. As she stated,
"(w)e will soon offer a similar mechanism for content so
that it won’t require a sophisticated understanding of our APIs
to back-up or migrate the content of your network somewhere
else"
- Create a free starter or Premium site at SocialGO so that you
can immediately migrate your members with WidgetLaboratory's
member migration tool. This will provide you with a new "home"
while you work on the transition. We believe that SocialGO may
also provide a discounted incentive to anyone who moves to
Premium from Ning. The LAB will assist anyone who needs help with
making the transition to SocialGO
- Stop Paying for Premium on Ning. After all, you no longer own
your members, network privacy, or white-label... so why continue
to pay Ning? Save the money and let Ning put Google Ads back on
your site. Then start building your own custom site on SocialGO,
since they have a written guarantee that your network, member,
and data are all yours and this will not change. WidgetLaboratory
will show you how you can use your old Ning site as a free
"archive" which can be linked and accessed from inside of your
new SocialGO site. SocialGO has an OPEN-API and WidgetStore, so
you will have an infinite flexibility into the future for turning
your site into something unique... and not simply slap on a few
Open-Social toys while you send your members to Ning
- Spread the Word. The reason that Ning has been able to take such extraordinary measures at the expense of Network Creators is that they closed their public forums and discussions, and dispersed or expelled any disgruntled Network Creators so that no dissent could escape or grow. No Longer. You are welcome to use WidgetLaboratory and SocialGO as the forum for airing your grievances and start fresh. WidgetLaboratory believes in an open and free discussion of all topics related to the products and social networking. Trolls can stay home, but customers with legitimage issues or complaints are always welcome.
Though it would be nice to imagine that things will get better on Ning... it's clearly not going to happen. The last year has been spent on unfurling their original game plan for creating NingBook.
Ning's latest action demonstrates that they have zero concern over individual Network Creators. If you happen to be one, why not return the favor and vote with your wallet. Stop paying Ning for any premium service and move your network and members to SocialGO where you can get what you really want and need.













11 Comments
this last move by Ning is rather surreal, and ning.com is some scary machine.. ill have to explain to my members how their privacy have been invaded, and post a tutorial on how to make their pages totally private on ning (which i did for myself immediately!)
Changing overnight TOS was the latest episode of Ning's downfall in the eyes of sensible NCs. I hope Sitesuites will be able to get back on their feet, and they should consider moving to this platform instead of Ningbook. True dat the Ning is massive (20 million members yea?) but they are not reliable and trustworthy at all. The NC community has been scattered and silenced to such an extent that they pushed the new Ningbook in the sneakiest way..
I think u should tell to ur guys at socialgo to expect a massive afflux of new networks, especially large ones. In fact i believe that any serious network creators who has spent money and time on BRANDING will run away and move their "networks" (sorry I meant "Ningbook groups") as fast as possible.
ive created a new network on socialgo in december 08, but ive been waiting since then to invite all my members. I think most of us are looking forward to the release of the widgetstore and socialgo draganddrop feature before making the final push. Im more than happy to wait as i know this feature will be truly useful for any network owner.
keep up with the good works
soundjata
I see all those premium Ning owners leaving in droves.
Is there a forum/FAQ about the best way to get the maximum amount of your content over (I don't even think I'm happy to leave the ning site active as an archive)
Thanks in advance for any pointers -
Rob
We will be providing some further tips and tricks in the next day or so on how to maximize your content and members during the transition. At the same time, we expect there to be some change in Ning's position about releasing content. Keep posted here for more info about what is going on "behind the scenes"... ;-)
we don't believe that your site was deleted, but rather it was decommissioned during the transition that took place on SocialGO this week where all beta sites had to pick whether to be free/starter/premium because the beta test came to an official end.
If you like, please drop a direct line to support@socialgo.com and let them know you were working with us (I'll do the same) and I'm fairly sure that your site will be put back up and running on SocialGO.
Please let us know if you have any questions.
EG
http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/03/n … s-clients/
I don't know what to tell them about all this but censorship battle and reveling private info, metal music have been bitter rivals for a couple decades with censorship committees.
I know my users aren't going to be too friendly to moving to a new site and starting over. On the other hand because of who we are, its just a matter of time before they come attack us and the other metal nings out there that are taking off.
The whole thing is screwed.
Is SocialGo's music system as competent as nings or better? If so I may just do it, but that's essential before I bring my people over.
If it's not can I help you develop it and make it worthy enough for our bands to make use of it. We can make songs listed but we can't see how many plays. Really doesn't help when there are other sites out there with their own players and full stats.
Last time I looked to move over would mean we loose our mods which our people really like, we would be very limited trying to be a music community that focuses on popularity, promotions and publicity I feel.
I could be wrong.
Well, perhaps the way you should consider this is in terms of track-record?
Ning has demonstrated quite clearly that they are ready and willing to stifle creativity, change agreements, break promises, and generally step on the heads of their core customers...especially when it comes to pleasing big-buck $$ special interests that control their Destiny (i.e. Google, VC's, and likely the Music Industry as well)
On the other hand, SocialGO is progressive and quite interested in developing relationships with the customers that put their needs first. Since SocialGO is not in the business of creating a Facebook clone, there is no benefit to competing with or stifling the customers who are otherwise paying for the services and creativity on the platform.
Likewise, WidgetLaboratory is already gearing up to create a host of powerful and functional features and widgets to add further to the platform itself. Since we are in the business of providing entrepreneurs with easy and affordable solutions, it is quite likely that a specific music solution will be forthcoming as well. On Ning we created a music jukebox and custom player solution that allowed sites to aggregate and playback their entire site music library, across all members, and do so in a customer stand-alone player. http://vimeo.com/662333
Ultimately the question of migration comes down to whether you feel you are with a "partner" in your hosting/solution provider... or someone you "fear"? The answer to that will likely let you know immediately whether the hassle of moving now is worth the benefit of suffering further should you delay...
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